On 03/03/2010 09:27 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
The self-contained mode is likely *perfect* for developers who produce a highly-customized bundle o Zope, 3rd party software, and custom code. It just isn't right as the "first choice" for somebody installing Zope for the first time.
I never considered anybody except developers doing "straight" installations of Zope itself. I usually expect developers/admins/devops to deploy an actual application/project which usually has some more expectations on environment and installed components than just a Zope server. In that case I expect a "project description" which will contain complete installation instructions readable by man and machine and can be used by both developers and admins. The cool-aid part is a bit troublesome to me in the sense that a plain Zope server won't stay plain for long. Using lots of additional packages without a tool that allows you to keep track of what you installed and configured (so that this information can go to version control) will put people in a horrible place quickly. I have the feeling that experience will then fall back to Zope again because people say "you can't manage that complexity" whereas we have a tool for that but we decided it not to be built into Zope itself. Christian -- Christian Theune · ct@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development