one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site? is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3? Andy Pahne ap@net22.net
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 06:34:39PM +0200, Andy Pahne wrote:
one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site?
I've been to some Oracle seminars and I was very impressed by Orcle WebDB Site Manager. It locks the designer out in some unnecessary constraints, but otherwise it's very cool (except for the fact that you need to buy a several-thousand-dollars database server to run it).
is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3?
If there isn't, I plan on writing something _if_ my company actually decides to use Zope (as this decision is pretty much mine, it will depend only on the viability of virtual hosting for which I'm investigating all alternatives). In other words, if there isn't and people want to write one, count me in. I'd surely like to have my customers maintain some of the site's content while leaving me with design. And I'd surely like something as modular as WebDB for that. []s, |alo +---- -- I am Lalo of deB-org. You will be freed. Resistance is futile. http://www.webcom.com/lalo mailto:lalo@webcom.com pgp key in the web page Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org
Lalo Martins wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 06:34:39PM +0200, Andy Pahne wrote:
one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site?
I've been to some Oracle seminars and I was very impressed by Orcle WebDB Site Manager. It locks the designer out in some unnecessary constraints, but otherwise it's very cool (except for the fact that you need to buy a several-thousand-dollars database server to run it).
is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3?
If there isn't, I plan on writing something _if_ my company actually decides to use Zope (as this decision is pretty much mine, it will depend only on the viability of virtual hosting for which I'm investigating all alternatives).
In other words, if there isn't and people want to write one, count me in. I'd surely like to have my customers maintain some of the site's content while leaving me with design. And I'd surely like something as modular as WebDB for that.
There is a very interesting article on extending dreamweaver with Java in the October issue of WebTechniques. At least in theory, it should be possible to use that information to Zope-ify Dreamweaver with Python. Unfortunately I too am a designer, not a coder. HTH, Michael Bernstein. ------------------------------------- Michael Bernstein webmaven@lvcm.com FIAWOL {Fandom Is A Way Of Life} http://www.fiawol.com -------------------------------------
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Michael Bernstein wrote: Well, wysiwyg is difficult with Zope. Here is why: 1.) <dtml-var testvar> Well, that one is easy, it seems: Just display it as some button or so, labeled testvar. But in ZOPE, testvar in fact could produce quite much data. It could even genereate say table parts. And here your WYSIWYG is shot. 2.) <dtml-if> That one is already getting problematic. How do you handle that one? 3.) <dtml-in> That's cool. A WYSIWYG programming editor ;) More generally speaking the generated HTML code for a ZOPE DTML object (be it method or document) depends on quite a number of things: standard_html_header/standard_html_footer. Without these you loose much of the cool functionality of ZOPE. submethods. For example in my websites, standard_html_header usually includes a standard_navbar. DTML. The content as such of your object can contain quite a "script". Including: - includes (dtml-var) - conditionals (dtml-if) - loops (dtml-in) - complicated python expressions. - namespaces (dtml-let) - REQUEST manipulation (<dtml-call "REQUEST.set(....)">) Basically, with ZOPE you get three developer categories: -) programmer. -) HTML designer. -) content provider. This basically holds true for any dynamic website: -) you cannot expect the content provider "e.g. journalists" to know about HTML etc. They just know how to add predeclared Z and python classes. -) Well, I'm one of programmer category. While I know HTML, you wouldn't care for the resulting web design ;) -) Most webdesigners know HTML quite well, but treat any dynamic (DTML) content as Copy&Paste stuff. But then, I'm also all for an WYSIWYG tool for Zope. I just doubt that you can provide the power of ZOPE (Acquisition, small building blocks, etc.) with a WYSIWYG interface, as it involves basically programming. Andreas -- Andreas Kostyrka | andreas@mtg.co.at phone: +43/1/7070750 | phone: +43/676/4091256 MTG Handelsges.m.b.H. | fax: +43/1/7065299 Raiffeisenstr. 16/9 | 2320 Zwoelfaxing AUSTRIA
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:06:15PM +0200, Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
The content as such of your object can contain quite a "script".
Have you checked out Galway? It's an HTML editor but it supports JavaScript and a lot of other things, worth checking out. It's Guile/GTK, shouldn't be impossible to integrate.
Basically, with ZOPE you get three developer categories: -) programmer. -) HTML designer. -) content provider.
This is one Oracle's WebDB is very good at, providing different interfaces for each of these categories. IMHO, it's not very nice on the designer - I mean, too constrained. I'll look around if there is a WebDB demo online somewhere, I seem to remember some URL from the seminar documentation. Get back to you guys tomorrow with it. :-) []s, |alo +---- -- I am Lalo of deB-org. You will be freed. Resistance is futile. http://www.webcom.com/lalo mailto:lalo@webcom.com pgp key in the web page Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org
At 06:34 PM 9/14/99 +0200, you wrote:
one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site?
is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3?
You can use any WYSIWYG editor that support PUT or WebDAV or FTP. While these tools don't give you full access to the Zope management interface, they should be fine for most content management tasks. -Amos
You can use DreamWeaver to manage your site, however there is one caveat. DreamWeaver won't look at a file unless it has an extension, so index_html won't load into DW, although index.html will. Using the trick about changing the default file name this works quite well. HTH Phil phil@philh.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Amos Latteier <amos@aracnet.com> To: Andy Pahne <ap@net22.net> Cc: <zope-dev@zope.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] wygiwys
At 06:34 PM 9/14/99 +0200, you wrote:
one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site?
is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3?
You can use any WYSIWYG editor that support PUT or WebDAV or FTP. While these tools don't give you full access to the Zope management interface, they should be fine for most content management tasks.
-Amos
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Hi Amos! On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Amos Latteier wrote:
At 06:34 PM 9/14/99 +0200, you wrote:
one of our clients makes me nervous, twice a day: he allways asks if there is a wygiwys-possibility for the content-managers of tehir site?
is there something like that or should i wait until the release of zope 3?
You can use any WYSIWYG editor that support PUT or WebDAV or FTP. While these tools don't give you full access to the Zope management interface, they should be fine for most content management tasks.
-Amos
I am just trying to think how that would work since most of the DTML Documents which people would be editing are not true HTML docuemnts (as in they don't usually include <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY> and </BODY></HTML> etc) So I am guessing most WYSIWYG would "automagically" provide these for you and in the process destroy any overall strucutre to your site. I guess though for small sites it could be useful. Cheers, Benno
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