Legal formalities to accept log and design
Hi, I would like to know the legal formalities required to accept a logo (with special font). Also I would like to know the same for web design. Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ? BlueBream team want to use a logo designed by an external person: http://muthukadan.net/bluebream/bluebream-logo-v1.png The font used there (Perizia: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Perizia_fonts) is designed by the same designer and released under GPL. One of my friend has offered a web design for the site (not done yet). Regards, Baiju M
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Hi, I would like to know the legal formalities required to accept a logo (with special font). Also I would like to know the same for web design.
Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ? The ZF has no guidelines (except the one that are in place for using the official Zope logo). I think you are free to proceed as you want. We are happy to see that you are bringing Bluebream forward.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 1/24/10 13:08 , Baiju M wrote:
Hi, I would like to know the legal formalities required to accept a logo (with special font). Also I would like to know the same for web design.
Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ?
BlueBream team want to use a logo designed by an external person: http://muthukadan.net/bluebream/bluebream-logo-v1.png The font used there (Perizia: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Perizia_fonts) is designed by the same designer and released under GPL.
One of my friend has offered a web design for the site (not done yet).
All that's perfectly fine. As Andreas said, there are no guildelines, as long as you are not using material that's already trademarked and copyrighted. Using a GPL font for the logo surely won't force us to abandon the ZPL, no reason for concern there. The logo is nice, by the way. One thing to note: While you or the designer work on the logo, make sure you have a few vector graphics like EPS files as well, those will look the nicest if someone wants to use the logo in a printed publication. jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAktcSfsACgkQRAx5nvEhZLIRUgCeLmXoL0HF3Z7Z3cxThwfYekI4 yKgAniozfiXtQAZx9adV4vl/YTkPwM+O =7RFM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Jens Vagelpohl a écrit :
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On 1/24/10 13:08 , Baiju M wrote:
Hi, I would like to know the legal formalities required to accept a logo (with special font). Also I would like to know the same for web design.
Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ?
BlueBream team want to use a logo designed by an external person: http://muthukadan.net/bluebream/bluebream-logo-v1.png The font used there (Perizia: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Perizia_fonts) is designed by the same designer and released under GPL.
One of my friend has offered a web design for the site (not done yet).
All that's perfectly fine. As Andreas said, there are no guildelines, as long as you are not using material that's already trademarked and copyrighted.
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org
Using a GPL font for the logo surely won't force us to abandon the ZPL, no reason for concern there. The logo is nice, by the way.
One thing to note: While you or the designer work on the logo, make sure you have a few vector graphics like EPS files as well, those will look the nicest if someone wants to use the logo in a printed publication.
I'd personally prefer to see an SVG file. I can create a clean one from the bitmap logo if needed. It should then be stored in the bluebream template svn. Baiju, when are we going to be sure we can use this logo? (in blog articles, or any publication). I also find it nice.
jens
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Jens Vagelpohl a écrit : On 1/24/10 13:08 , Baiju M wrote:
Hi, I would like to know the legal formalities required to accept a logo (with special font). Also I would like to know the same for web design.
Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ?
BlueBream team want to use a logo designed by an external person: http://muthukadan.net/bluebream/bluebream-logo-v1.png The font used there (Perizia: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Perizia_fonts) is designed by the same designer and released under GPL.
One of my friend has offered a web design for the site (not done yet). All that's perfectly fine. As Andreas said, there are no guildelines, as long as you are not using material that's already trademarked and copyrighted.
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org
Using a GPL font for the logo surely won't force us to abandon the ZPL, no reason for concern there. The logo is nice, by the way.
Fonts and the GPL are complicated[1]. As that essay notes, under U.S. copyright law, the "look" of a font cannot be copyrighted, which ought to mean that an image which contains pixels derived from rendering the font is not a derived work of the font: it doesn't contain a copy or transformation of anything copyrightable. However, the issue gets muddy, even before you consided non-U.S. law. So, before checking the image into the zope.org SVN repository (which forbids any GPL'ed content without explicit approval), please check to see that the font author has used the FSF's standard "font exception" clause[2]: As a special exception, if you create a document which uses this font, and embed this font or unaltered portions of this font into the document, this font does not by itself cause the resulting document to be covered by the GNU General Public License. This exception does not however invalidate any other reasons why the document might be covered by the GNU General Public License. If not, ask for the author to include that clause in the license for the font (and document that to the foundation board, if the exception is not published with the version of the font you use). Or ask for a more permissive (non-copyleft) licence, such as one of the Creative Commons licenses. If neither of those options is available, then I would ask the foundation board for permission to check in the image. [1] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis [2] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktc20IACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ72cACg3FLV1u/nn44KQfI9NPLuc6TK T60AoNXqjQA/fybSKjtte1Wq+3G2X22a =YoIv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:
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Christophe Combelles wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl a écrit : On 1/24/10 13:08 , Baiju M wrote:
Hi, I would like to know the legal formalities required to accept a logo (with special font). Also I would like to know the same for web design.
Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ?
BlueBream team want to use a logo designed by an external person: http://muthukadan.net/bluebream/bluebream-logo-v1.png The font used there (Perizia: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Perizia_fonts) is designed by the same designer and released under GPL.
One of my friend has offered a web design for the site (not done yet). All that's perfectly fine. As Andreas said, there are no guildelines, as long as you are not using material that's already trademarked and copyrighted.
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org
Using a GPL font for the logo surely won't force us to abandon the ZPL, no reason for concern there. The logo is nice, by the way.
Fonts and the GPL are complicated[1]. As that essay notes, under U.S. copyright law, the "look" of a font cannot be copyrighted, which ought to mean that an image which contains pixels derived from rendering the font is not a derived work of the font: it doesn't contain a copy or transformation of anything copyrightable.
However, the issue gets muddy, even before you consided non-U.S. law. So, before checking the image into the zope.org SVN repository (which forbids any GPL'ed content without explicit approval), please check to see that the font author has used the FSF's standard "font exception" clause[2]:
As a special exception, if you create a document which uses this font, and embed this font or unaltered portions of this font into the document, this font does not by itself cause the resulting document to be covered by the GNU General Public License. This exception does not however invalidate any other reasons why the document might be covered by the GNU General Public License.
If not, ask for the author to include that clause in the license for the font (and document that to the foundation board, if the exception is not published with the version of the font you use). Or ask for a more permissive (non-copyleft) licence, such as one of the Creative Commons licenses. If neither of those options is available, then I would ask the foundation board for permission to check in the image.
[1] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis [2] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException
The font is "Released under GNU GPL v3, with font exception." (from font file) http://hiraneffects.blogspot.com/2008/03/thanks-perizia-is-now-font.html?sho... Regards, Baiju M
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On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:
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Christophe Combelles wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl a écrit : On 1/24/10 13:08 , Baiju M wrote:
Hi, I would like to know the legal formalities required to accept a logo (with special font). Also I would like to know the same for web design.
Is there any guideline for Zope Foundation ?
BlueBream team want to use a logo designed by an external person: http://muthukadan.net/bluebream/bluebream-logo-v1.png The font used there (Perizia: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Perizia_fonts) is designed by the same designer and released under GPL.
One of my friend has offered a web design for the site (not done yet). All that's perfectly fine. As Andreas said, there are no guildelines, as long as you are not using material that's already trademarked and copyrighted.
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org Using a GPL font for the logo surely won't force us to abandon the ZPL, no reason for concern there. The logo is nice, by the way. Fonts and the GPL are complicated[1]. As that essay notes, under U.S. copyright law, the "look" of a font cannot be copyrighted, which ought to mean that an image which contains pixels derived from rendering the font is not a derived work of the font: it doesn't contain a copy or transformation of anything copyrightable.
However, the issue gets muddy, even before you consided non-U.S. law. So, before checking the image into the zope.org SVN repository (which forbids any GPL'ed content without explicit approval), please check to see that the font author has used the FSF's standard "font exception" clause[2]:
As a special exception, if you create a document which uses this font, and embed this font or unaltered portions of this font into the document, this font does not by itself cause the resulting document to be covered by the GNU General Public License. This exception does not however invalidate any other reasons why the document might be covered by the GNU General Public License.
If not, ask for the author to include that clause in the license for the font (and document that to the foundation board, if the exception is not published with the version of the font you use). Or ask for a more permissive (non-copyleft) licence, such as one of the Creative Commons licenses. If neither of those options is available, then I would ask the foundation board for permission to check in the image.
[1] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis [2] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException
The font is "Released under GNU GPL v3, with font exception." (from font file)
http://hiraneffects.blogspot.com/2008/03/thanks-perizia-is-now-font.html?sho...
Great. AFICT, that removes any doubt about the copyright status of the font as used in the logo. You should be able to check it in, if you made it yourself, or if the designer who made it for you did it under terms which transfered ownership of the image copyright to you (as an employee or as "work-for-hire")./ Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktd3qcACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6GDgCfd9zIzcYyA/ktKCYjUVredsdz 3+MAn2TtWuEU5f0xltBLwFSrUR1BKWOn =YYJb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi Christophe, On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Christophe Combelles <ccomb@free.fr> wrote:
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org
I will look into the concerns (GPL font exception) raised by Tres. Which license would be useful for a logo ? Logo comes under trademark ? not copyright ? I couldn't find a any suitable license. Any CC variant ? I think something like this would be fine: http://www.python.org/community/logos/ http://plone.org/foundation/logo
Using a GPL font for the logo surely won't force us to abandon the ZPL, no reason for concern there. The logo is nice, by the way.
One thing to note: While you or the designer work on the logo, make sure you have a few vector graphics like EPS files as well, those will look the nicest if someone wants to use the logo in a printed publication.
I'd personally prefer to see an SVG file. I can create a clean one from the bitmap logo if needed. It should then be stored in the bluebream template svn.
He created the logo in Inkscape and he will give us the SVG.
Baiju, when are we going to be sure we can use this logo? (in blog articles, or any publication). I also find it nice.
He is working on the finishing work (in his free time). I told him to not go for any major alteration. We will wait some more time. Let's focus on documentation for time being. We will look into logo, website and other cool stuffs in parallel, but very slowly. Regards, Baiju M
On 01/25/2010 03:15 AM, Baiju M wrote:
Hi Christophe,
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Christophe Combelles <ccomb@free.fr> wrote:
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org
I will look into the concerns (GPL font exception) raised by Tres. Which license would be useful for a logo ?
That's actually interesting from the perspective that stuff that goes into zope.org SVN needs to be ZPL. The foundation might want to check for an exception WRT logos, maybe. Christian -- Christian Theune · ct@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development
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On 01/25/2010 03:15 AM, Baiju M wrote:
Hi Christophe,
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Christophe Combelles <ccomb@free.fr> wrote:
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org I will look into the concerns (GPL font exception) raised by Tres. Which license would be useful for a logo ?
That's actually interesting from the perspective that stuff that goes into zope.org SVN needs to be ZPL. The foundation might want to check for an exception WRT logos, maybe.
The FSF's font exception turns out to be mostly irrelevant for Baiju's purposes: his "document" (an image) doesn't "embed" the font itself, but merely contains pixels generated by rendering the font. In copyright terms, this is no different than ink on paper printed from metal type: the font author has no claim on the ink / paper as a "derived work" under copyright law. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktfG5cACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ5ysACgtPRMvAIFx0doVQM+egDxrg1c vZsAn1jvn7UT7d6GeN3Z72dwN+XXCblP =BiuS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:
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Christian Theune wrote:
On 01/25/2010 03:15 AM, Baiju M wrote:
Hi Christophe,
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Christophe Combelles <ccomb@free.fr> wrote:
maybe just be sure the original author won't claim anything in the future? ie. the logo should be released with a free licence. Just to avoid the kind of troubles we had with new.zope.org I will look into the concerns (GPL font exception) raised by Tres. Which license would be useful for a logo ?
That's actually interesting from the perspective that stuff that goes into zope.org SVN needs to be ZPL. The foundation might want to check for an exception WRT logos, maybe.
The FSF's font exception turns out to be mostly irrelevant for Baiju's purposes: his "document" (an image) doesn't "embed" the font itself, but merely contains pixels generated by rendering the font. In copyright terms, this is no different than ink on paper printed from metal type: the font author has no claim on the ink / paper as a "derived work" under copyright law.
What about committing SVG (source) file, so that others can modify easily. BTW, logos comes under trademark law, which is different from copyright law. Or is it like the actual source files can be covered under copyright, so that we can use a license based on copyright law ? Regards, Baiju M
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What about committing SVG (source) file, so that others can modify easily.
How doe the SVG source files interact with the (TrueType, I presume?) font file?
BTW, logos comes under trademark law, which is different from copyright law. Or is it like the actual source files can be covered under copyright, so that we can use a license based on copyright law ?
Committers can't check in the GPL'ed font file itself to SVN without a waiver from the board, nor any files which count as "derived works" (and therefore must be GPL'ed), unless the "derived work" is covered by the font exception. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktfKHUACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4GUQCgw3iyV5Wy0Rch+lebWdI3F3X0 RowAn0LuZEvvaVT7Ho1T7gQZVA6EUebY =srCh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:
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Baiju M wrote:
What about committing SVG (source) file, so that others can modify easily.
How doe the SVG source files interact with the (TrueType, I presume?) font file?
Font is TrueType, but I am not sure about how it is embedded in SVG.
BTW, logos comes under trademark law, which is different from copyright law. Or is it like the actual source files can be covered under copyright, so that we can use a license based on copyright law ?
Committers can't check in the GPL'ed font file itself to SVN without a waiver from the board, nor any files which count as "derived works" (and therefore must be GPL'ed), unless the "derived work" is covered by the font exception.
I will only commit the SVG, PNG, ICO & JPEG formats, is that Ok ? BTW, as I mentioned the font has "font exception". Regards, Baiju M
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:
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Baiju M wrote:
What about committing SVG (source) file, so that others can modify easily. How doe the SVG source files interact with the (TrueType, I presume?) font file?
Font is TrueType, but I am not sure about how it is embedded in SVG.
BTW, logos comes under trademark law, which is different from copyright law. Or is it like the actual source files can be covered under copyright, so that we can use a license based on copyright law ? Committers can't check in the GPL'ed font file itself to SVN without a waiver from the board, nor any files which count as "derived works" (and therefore must be GPL'ed), unless the "derived work" is covered by the font exception.
I will only commit the SVG, PNG, ICO & JPEG formats, is that Ok ?
BTW, as I mentioned the font has "font exception".
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