Ok its hot here in the city today ...and I am going @#$%@ nuts trying to find specific help on various topics in zope. I know the advice exists "_.{'("['some.where']")'}" in all the great mesasges and howtos and tips whcih have accrued over the past couple years. Q1: Why oh why oh why oh why when you go to Zope http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Tips does it only display the first 32 characters of the How-to desciption? This is not 1980! People have taken the trouble to write a descriptive title and you can't even read it in full .. what is the sense in that? Q2: Why is it not possible to see the whole thing as one scrollable list? Why is not possible to group these at least superficially by catgory? Q3: Why is there no infoseek-like search engine which allows an intial search, and then search within again to narrow things down. I find typically this mechanism is by far the most effective way to egt to the information one wants in the fastest possible time. For example search for 'External'. Then search within for 'python', then search agin within those results for 'import' etc... Why please can someone explain to me why this is so hard to do? I thought that infoseek's engine was written in Python or a big chunk of it.. Q4: Why not show off Zope by having a nice Zope search interface to searching itself? The new Nip is an improvement on things but still very hard to sift through the results. Q5: Why for @$%@'s sake is there no organization, structure or search for Zope prodcuts at http://www.zope.org/Products ? For example 'Member Contributed Products' appear to be listed neither by name nor topic nor author nor date... what's with that. The zen of searching zope appears to be 'when you find it you will know'.. How hard is it to put some useful structure on this? How many newbie email posts would be saved by an accessible presentation? If Zope is so powerful why can't it be configured to show it's own stuff more clearly. Q6: Am I the only one who finds all this very strange? I love the 'idea' of zope and really want to learn to use it as a basis for many projects, but am finding I am being driven towards researching other solutions, simply because I cannot afford the time, [dealy/expense] and frustration of constantly seeking some valid examples quickly of the syntax. As an interim I turning to learn to use Python Methods and External Methods as a better solution, since at least that way it is easier to develop and read. In know Zope is free and I cannot complain. But imho there is a serious obstacle to its broader growth which is the learning curve. My impression is that a major obstacle to willing newbies is simply decent access to the archives via some smart zope-based search tools. I draw 3 conclusions: 1. I am simply too dumb and too lazy to trawl though gadzillion threads to find my info 2. Zope has some serious problems and cannot really do what needs to be done in terms of dynamic search and presentation 3. Digital Creations are too busy/tired etc to put time in for free to get the web site advanced like this 4. No-one has really applied themselves to the problem. Those who know don't need it and the rest struggle along Wht do you think ? - Jason ________________________________________________________________ Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS.(Interactive Art and Technology).Design Director