I am useing loginmanager0-8-8b1 with zope2.3.2 on win32. I upgraded zpatterns to0-4-3b2 as well. I have it working well with a MS SQLServer database but can't seem to figure out how to install it in the root folder. I get stuck in a catch-22 - I can't login as root(superuser/emergency user) to do the task because after I delete the /zoperoot/acl_users folder and try and paste the loginmanager folder, I get the "superuser cannot own" error message. When I login as another user with Manager and Owner roles to do the same task, immediately upon deleting the /zoperoot/acl_users folder, before I get a chance to paste the loginmanager folder I get promted to login again and can't (except as superuser). Any advice appreciated, Erik Myllymaki erik@pacific-shores.com