hi again i managed to trace the first problem (access denied) to SiteAccess. but i still can't get the answer for my 2nd Q. got traceback when i tried to add a zclass instance. here's the traceback Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 214, in publish_module File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 179, in publish File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 202, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: RoleManager) File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 165, in publish File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: Artikel_add) File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, in call_object (Object: Artikel_add) File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 150, in __call__ (Object: Artikel_add) File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 502, in __call__ (Object: Artikel_add) File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, line 133, in render (Object: Artikel.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)) File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 335, in eval (Object: Artikel.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)) (Info: REQUEST) File <string>, line 0, in ? File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 461, in createInObjectManager (Object: Artikel) AttributeError: _getOb all help appreciated. -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.kedai.com.my/kk Am I Evil?