This thread is now offtopic, please do not send further replies to the Zope list. But here is my [final] response on the AppleTalk thing... -> In stead of the commercial Dave, you can use the free appletalk -> support on linux. Don't remember the name... I shared a directory on -> a linux server, both with SMB and by appletalk. Works great. Mail if -> you want the details. We used to do this. It's called the NetAtalk server. We used it for both fileservers and printservers. It caused us a few headaches. For one, when we were using it (96-00), a major MacOS upgrade took place (v.8? v.9? don't remember). The NetATalk server broke, but there was an independently-maintained patch that would work. And then there were the "sun" patches, which doubled the server speed and had many other nice features. Then there was the patch to make it work with the latest linux kernel. These patches had conflicts that needed to be fixed by the admin before compiling. No new patches were getting integrated. No real packages were released. It was a poorly maintained project. Another annoyance was the ".AppleTalk" directories showing up to all the Windows users. "What's this for? Can I delete it?" a million times a day. Then there's the DEFAULT setting of "text file translation: on" on any unrecognized filetypes. The does the \r to \n thing--AND BREAKS any binary file! My friend stayed up 24 hours trying to figure out why the Shockwave file worked great on the Mac, but was broke on the PCs. So there's the filemapping text file to seperately maintain and keep up. And the config files were not intuitive in syntax or format. Setting up the Printers was an all new headache, too. Everytime I'd add a share, or change a password, I'd have to do it in TWO places, not one. For some weird Ethernet thing, it would hang up the server at boot for several seconds. (A minor annoyance.) And all this for only a few Macs. It's much easier to just buy a few copies of Dave--and then all I have to worry about is the Samba server. And the author of "Dave" gets to write more cool software, because he now has money to support his family, and so more time to write cool new programs like Dave that make computers talk to each other easier, thus increasing communication and thus, productivity. Ha! --Derek