What Manila has done is to provide some reasonable default templates for getting useful site development work done 'out of the box' - they have provided a structure template, and well defined access to changing the obvious things people want to change.
I see. Having higher level drop-in Web sites, IMO, is a job for add-on Zope products that could be created by DC or the community to meet various needs (as in Squishdot like projects). As the Zope community grows, I have no doubt that more add-on products for "Web sites in a can" will pop up.
to do so. Zope (in my experience) does nothing to limit the ability to make a site attractive, but it does do buckets for increasing manageability.
Yes. I quite agree..But why are there no attractive Zope sites?
I can only guess that most Zope users are either not designers or are so filled with awe over its power that they forget to put effort into beauty. :-) I think Zope lends itself more to the programmer and content provider types, and leaves the designer with nothing special to desire. I don't say that in a bad way, but Zope isn't a design tool, so designers have no special interest in learning to use it. As Zope makes its way into more businesses with design teams, pretty design will make its way into more Zope sites.
world examples of Zope's power. Using any of the already available calendar-like products for Zope, DC could easily create a calendar to browse through stuff. Again, it's not a limitation of Zope, the developers just didn't do it.
Yes and I am continuously curious why they did not?
My understanding is that DC has been putting so much of their resources into the Zope core, much needed documentation, and probably their consulting business, that their own Web site has been left with a lower priority. I don't fault them for that. I think they've done a great job at prioritizing.
And if you select yes you will get 'index_html' and 'acl_users' included.. THIS is the entry point I am talking about The 'Add a Folder' page needs to offer more so that it can default to the immediate bones of a useful site, methods and links. The irony to
I think the "bones of a useful site" belong in a different object than a Folder, though I agree that specialized products/objects for canned sites would be a nice addition to the Zope products list, whether from DC or the community. _______________________ Ron Bickers Logic Etc, Inc. rbickers@logicetc.com