Over on the grok mailing list there is talk of a sprint. What a great idea! I would love to see a Zope 2 style ZMI on Grok. Then we could all migrate off of Zope 2 and onto Grok/ZTK/Zope3. Grok does offer an admin GUI. What it lacks is the zope.app.container GUI providing rename, cut, copy and paste functionality. Grok lacks the ability to add arbitrary objects through the web (TTW). And it lacks parental acquisition. If anyone else is interested in migrating to the Zope 3 world, and would like to work together on this let me know. If there are enough of us, and if we are welcome, we could join the grok sprint. Or alternatively we could do something separately. Cultural context is needed here. There are many file system developers who do not like the idea of a TTW development environment. They rightly argue it has no Source Code Control. Actually it does not appear to be that difficult to add SCC. So there are those who like this idea, and there are those who do not like this idea. I now understand that I need to be mindful of this in my postings. By this posting I would like to connect with those people who think this is a good idea, then we can figure out as a group what is the best path forward. Regards Chris