Am Don, 2002-08-22 um 03.22 schrieb Tim Hoffman:
Hi Sean
Ok, I'll bite ;-) (I am biased though, I worked for Sun for 7 years in the 90's) Well I'm biased too :) (I've been into the Linux thing since 1992, when I had to monopolize the only public Internet terminal at the university for days to download dozens discs, ...)
The fact is many of the gnu tools predate much of linux, and I would suggest many of them where actually developed on sunos and solaris ;-)
They all share the same heritage.
But yes you are correct, many of the gnu tools are pretty much mandatory on any Unix installation.
But having said that, each time I upgrade redhat on my notebook, I end up installing an enormous bunch of additional stuff, that redhat don't include on the CD's/standard distribution. Well, than it's your fault for choosing Redhat. SuSE or Debian provide a much more complete set of packages. Redhat has always been a more core OS business ;)
I use linux and solaris and both have areas which they could improve mightily on. Probably. ;)
On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 21:44, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
Sigh... I always thought Solaris was an exercise in feature-broken command line tools (want to try unpackaging Zope without GNU tar anyone) ;) The first thing most sysadmins do is make Solaris act/look more like Linux by installing boatloads of GNUish tools (bash,gcc,vim,tar,gzip), so if all that is left is a kernel, it sort of defeats the point of the hassle (assuming you could get the same with one build of a patched Linux kernel).
Actually there is a bunch of stuff in the core solaris, in areas of process control, tuning, which linux doesn't come close too etc.. also Well, that I cannot dispute. OTOH there are quite a number of patches that support quite "enterprise"-level functionality. solaris doesn't require things like kernel rebuilds when you add you drivers/hardware, which makes me stay with solaris over linux in many Well, that's pure bullshit. With modern distributions you are even warned not to rebuild your kernel, unless you really know what you are doing. ;) production server cases.
The basic gnuish tools as you put it, aren't the be all and end all of the OS. No, but it's curious how some people try anything to get them. Witness the Windows guys with cygwin :)
I do lament the slower mhz rating and the apparent slower running of python, due to lower mhz. Slower MHz rating?
My last dig, is I still believe (personal experience) the hardware is far more stable than the average intel kit installed ;-) Well your sentence implies thate there also not so average intel kits available. And considering the fact that Sun Hardware is also a bit above the price of the average intel kit, it might more fair to compare expensive Intel server style hardware with Sun hardware than cheap standard boxes shanghaied into the server room :)
Andreas