On 09 March 2000, James W. Howe said:
The perfect counter argument is. "Prove it." If this person asks *you* to prove it, show them the Lawrence Livermore National Labs, the mems-exchange (all multi-million $+ scientific establishments), Jon Udell articles, etc etc. There is a mountain of evidence on your side and nothing on his/hers.
Do you have specific URL's you could point me at for these items.
My main achievement with Zope is part of the MEMS Exchange mentioned by Michel: http://www.mems-exchange.org/z/process/builder/ This is a tool for people to specify the process sequence to fabricate a MEMS device (= micro-electro-mechanical system, aka micromachine or microsystem). They're typically fabricated using the same techniques as IC fab, but in much more varied ways -- hence the need for people to specify custom fabrication sequences. For non-specialists, most of this tool is meaningless, but it's an interesting demo of how much user interface you can get away with on the web using something like Zope. For the record, before we started playing with Zope, I was convinced that complex user interfaces on the web were all-but-impossible. Thanks to Zope, I now believe that complex user interfaces on the web are merely very difficult. We have found no bugs in Python developing this system; we certainly have our share of gripes with Zope, but I think we've only seen two bugs that really affected the reliability of our web site. The first bug was when Zope 2.1 came out, and we made the mistake of going straight from a single-threaded, PCGI, Zope 2.0 installation to multi-threaded, FastCGI, Zope 2.1; things got really flaky. I think we're now running single-threaded, PCGI, Zope 2.1.4 and things are peachy. We really need to step gingerly back into multi-threaded/FastCGI territory to see how it behaves. The other bug was a nasty ref-counting problem deep in the bowels of mxODBC, so can't really be blamed on Zope. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward@cnri.reston.va.us Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive voice: +1-703-620-8990 Reston, Virginia, USA 20191-5434 fax: +1-703-620-0913