Gaaah! I'm totally miffed/pissed/confused/sad about this. I have Zope 2.2.4, and if I go to: http://docwhat.gerf.org:9673/fish (an non-existant object) I get the HTTPResponse.py _error_html() function as called by notFoundError(). Now, if I go to: http://zope.org/fish I get a nice fully customized error page, which includes where I *might* have ment to go.... What's going on! According to http://www.zope.org/Members/JohnC/StandardErrorMessage I should be able to get this to work, he has a <dtml-if "error_type=='NotFound'">... example even! Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! *goes off in a corner, pulling out hair while quitely sobbing* -- "This is the Steve Allen show. To those of you lunging for the channel selector, 'Good Night!'" The Doctor What: Un-Humble http://docwhat.gerf.org/ docwhat@gerf.org KF6VNC