Tres sent me some valuable advice in private email, which I want to share with the crowd. I now cut down my startup time to 5 seconds, and given the number of products I have installed and need, this is probably as good as it will get. I applied the patch from http://www.zopezen.org/Members/andy/news_item.2005-02-02.4231683958 and ensured that my zope user has write access to the Product directories. It did not previously, which had it recompile every Product on every start. Tres also said to deinstall any unneeded products and check DNS (or disable reverse lookups). Just for completeness. Thanks girls and guys! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net@madduck invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! spamtraps: madduck.bogus@madduck.net if god is perfect, why did he create discontinuous functions?