Hi there, What I want is an acl_users equivalent that has an SQL database backend. I want an easy to understand, easy to install solution for this that has some kind of future in Zope land. Currently I'm deploying 2.1 but that should change into 2.2 eventually. UserDb isn't developed anymore. Besides, it might not work for 2.2. (does it?) GenericUserFolder is not developed anymore. Besides, it might not work for 2.2. (does it?) LoginManager is being developed. *But* it is dependent on ZPatterns, which is: * Another prerequisite * far too much for me to swallow right now. It sorts of doubles Zope's already not insignificant level of jargon and confusion. * under heavy development; lots of changes happening all the time, invalidating APIs etc. * needs a C module to be compiled. On Linux (development platform) that's okay, but it's not on my current deployment platform, Windows NT. I don't have a C compiler there. So what do I do if I want an SQL backend for my acl_users folder? This part of Zope seems to be becoming ever *more* complicated; the past seems to have been actually easier and simpler in this case. I just want to dump in a product, do minimal configuration, and be done with it. Is there any solution to my problem? Do I have to risk installing development versions of LoginManager/ZPatterns, or risk installing something that's not being developed anymore? Is there another way out? Regards, Martijn