I suspect almost everybody on this list is aware that many zope activities have moved elsewhere, but it still looks bad to have the main site looking neglected. For many different reasons. This is even more true for a project that is all about web development! Even with the other sites, there are still things (like the list of other Zope sites) that zope.org is necessary for. I am very happy to hear that there is high hopes for the future. As good as the cheeseshop might be, and it does have some nice features, it's still not as good as the zope.org product list once was, since the product list was organized specifically for zope development. I know this cannot continue on zope.org, but hopefully zope.org can provide the necessary guidance for using the other sites. Greg On Sep 28, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Gregory Dudek wrote:
A key factor is that from the zope.org web site it is not clear if the community is healthy or not, and the general impression is that the project is stalled since so many links are dead and defunct (and in fact I am not so sure of the zope community health myself any longer, despite the ongoing zope postings here). In my opinion, making zope.org look healthy and be usable is the MOST important obstacle for the Zope community. I believe this is both a symptom and a cause of disarray in the Zope user/developer community. Zope was always a bit hairy to get into, without saying anything about Plone development or Zope 3, I just want to point out that without a clear simple up-to-date main web site, things are looking really bad. I introduced some zope-based material in an introductory computer science course a few years ago with moderate success, but am starting to doubt it would be appropriate any longer. I am not criticizing the people on this list or the other Zope developers: I have enormous appreciation for what has been built, I just would hate to see is dwindle in vitality and use.
Gregory, thanks for bringing this up. Please be assured that we're aware of this problem just as well. With the Zope Foundation in place, we can now tackle tasks like zope.org much better. But it takes time to get settled and we need volunteers. We've made some progress already, but we're not there yet. There's a committee which is actively planning on improving zope.org in the near future.
As far as zope.org's focus is concerned, it has shifted, as many already pointed out. We're no longer trying to make it a site with member accounts. Software is best released through the Python CheeseShop (aka PyPI) these days and bug collectors can be found on Launchpad. Outsourcing high-maintenance factors like these will allow us to focus on zope.org's actual message: promoting Zope.
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