Hello again I was working in the zmi trying to create a new user and i was just plyaing around with some of the options. The last thing i remember doing was pressing the encrypt all passwords button and saving the changes. Then i logged out and tried to log back in with the new user that i had just created, but it wont let me. I have tried to log in with all my other existing users but i am simply locked out. I am running zope on windows and not sure how to create an emergency user if thats what i have to do at all. Please help , looking forward to hearing from yu Thanks Liam _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail