I agree that the web interface does provide useful functionality, particularly for the developers. I have a couple of comments in relation to using a WYSIWYG editor: - There are probably many cases where the user needs to work on a pretty standard "document". They are revising the text, adding an image, etc. It seems plausible that we can create something to allow people to work with this kind of object in a wysiwyg editor. That would be a lot nicer than requiring the user to type <b></b> to boldface something. The "Formatted Document" object on the Zope.org site would allow people to create docs without a single bit of DTML (because the standard_html_header and footer are included automatically). This is probably enough for some situations. Turn "Formatted Document" into an ObjectManager, and it may even be possible to include associated images directly with the document. - People have talked about the problems with retrieving rendered vs. unrendered objects. Keep in mind that everything is extensible... we all have the ability to create new objects *and* the source code for the whole system... I think it is possible to make wysiwyg solutions tailored toward specific needs. Maybe it is complicated for the page designer to use Dreamweaver to edit the header and footer objects... but it is quite possibly not that complicated for the people writing the content to use Dreamweaver (or Frontpage) to edit something like a "Formatted Document". Want to be able to use DTML in the documents, but have a problem with DTML Methods coming out pre-rendered? Subclass DTML Methods and change the FTP support to send you the raw text... I'll grant that it will be difficult to consistently and conveniently handle every situation out there based on the tools and protocols that are readily available today. But, I do think it is possible to handle many situations with just a little bit of Zope development. Kevin