-> Wrong, workflow and permissions live on different planets. Read the workflow -> doku! Where is the "workflow" document? That sounds like the document I've been looking for! Please provide me a URL. -> And CMF has skins, Dublin core, easily configurable portal types that can be -> hooked into a workflow .. This is just like the "Introduction to CMF" I read; I don't know what "Dublin core" or the "workflow" is, so I'm left wondering why I should even care (about CMF). -> Life's a real moaner when billable hours prevent you from collecting -> information that enables you to bill for your time. Hehe... :) Well, honestly, I'm not billing for my research time; I just want to push the idea that an "Introduction to CMF" that has the following would be very helpful: 1. What is the problem that CMF solves? 2. Why can't plain Zope handle it? (Or: Why it is easier with CMF) 3. What is "workflow"? 4. ...and that actually _defines_ the new terms it introduces (such as SiteDesignServices and IntegrationServices) Thanks, Derek Simkowiak