Hi, I thought I could acquire the Zen by readings the docs, following the list and just doing it, but I'm afraid I have to ask for some guidance. Please bear with me. I'd be glad if I would get at least a few hints, thanks in advance. I'm trying to set up a simple (sample?) Zope site, and thought I should try and use ZClasses. The site should replace an existing static web site. This current site features a two-level folder structure. Each folder can keep one (index_html) or multiple pages. The pages have a navigation bar at the left like a tree, only that all leaves (i.e. folders) are always visible and that the folder of the current page is highlighted. If there's more than one page in a folder, a second navigation bar is displayed on the right, just a list of the pages in the folder with the current page highlighted. Using Zope I hope to make editing the pages and adding folders a mostly trivial, idiot-proof issue. I thought I could use ZClasses to customize the user interface for the editors of the pages, so that the editors are presented only with a very limited set of options, e.g. adding a new folder, adding a page in the current folder, and, something that's not easy possible with the current user interface: rearranging the order of the subfolders in a folder and the order of the pages in a folder. Now I'm very much lost how to model this with ZClasses. I thought about this: First a ZClass "SPage" that's derived from DTML Document. Then another ZClass "SFolder" derived from ObjectManager. SFolder would contain SPage or SFolder objects. Any SFolder object should contain at least one SPage object, index_html. Is that reasonable ? Is that possible (until now I failed to implement this containment relations) ? Then, where in this scheme would I put the rendering logic (i.e. standard_html_header and footer) ? Would I put them in SPage or in the product root ? Now if I wanted SPage objects to use structured text, how could I modify the ZClass so that the structured text (let's say it's stored in a property "raw" of the class) is rendered when I access the SPage object, like it's done with DTML Documents ? Implementing a index_html DTML method ? Didn't work as expected. Or, how do I tell SFolder objects to render itself using the SPage object named index_html ? Shouldn't it do that automatically ? The worst thing yet is the highlighting in the navigation bars. I have to implement something like (pseudo-code) <table> <dtml-in "sisterpages()"> <tr> <td><dtml-if "thispage_id==id"><dtml-var arrow></dtml-if></td> <td><a href="<dtml-var "absolute_url()">"><dtml-var title_or_id></a></td> </tr> </dtml-in> </table> but in my current implementations of this code the highlighting would fail e.g. if the SPage b in SFolder a was called not as "/www/a/b" but as "/www/a/b/index_html/index_html". I have the impression that this is might be a quite normal application of Zope, nothing special, but something that's of immediate use for migrating web sites into a Zope setup, and that this might serve as a nice sample product for Zope newbies. Perhaps some kind souls will give me a few hints, thanks in advance, Gregor