On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 14:41, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
DTML just doesn't scale to non-techies or content people who are talented at HTML, but not 'programming.'
Sean
Being exactly what you are referring to, ie: someone who knows html, but not programming, I have to disagree. I tried Zope initially BECAUSE of it's tag based scripting language. I found it very easy to learn, and granted, I have encountered some syntax issues that were a problem for a while, but searching on zope.org and asking for direction from list members, everything has worked out just fine. I constructed 26 virtual sites with Zope and DTML. I have also looked at ZPT and found it rather confusing. I guess maybe it's just the way I'm wired or how I process information, in any case, since we're not all the same, I feel that continuing to offer both solutions would be the most appropriate course. I have never experienced any thing weird in using DTML except for using a dtml-in inside sendmail. Thanks to Dylan, that was easily fixed in a couple of minutes. Michael
-----Original Message----- From: Terry Hancock [mailto:hancock@anansispaceworks.com] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: Java re-invents DTML :-)
On Monday 17 February 2003 09:01 am, Chris Withers wrote:
Kevin Carlson wrote:
Come on folks. There's nothing wrong with supporting two templating languages. Quite honestly, dtml is much easier to learn for most and has it's place in application development
DTML has worked pretty much flawlessly for me. I have *NEVER* encountered any of the bugaboos about obfuscation or excessive code in it that have been claimed to be its faults. I use it in an admittedly complex presentation layer, and it provides excellent support for everything I need to do there. Python does the heavy lifting just fine, and I see no reason to change this part of my design.
...not unless some of its major current flaws are corrected. I think this is possible but I don't see the point of having two templating languages for one app server especially as we're now getting to the stage where you need to know _both_ before you can do anything useful with Zope :-(
Okay, I'm game, let's give ZPT the boot. It's a much more specialized language (HTML documents *only*), looks *really* obfuscated. Stuffs all its code into HTML attributes which is great for hiding the code away, but awful
if you want to see the document structure. DTML and Python work fine together, and are capable of handling the whole range of tasks I need. ZPT+Python cannot.
So ZPT is neither necessary nor sufficient.
Terry
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