Just upgraded to 2.5 beta 2, still having the same problem described in collector bug 47 But in any case, I went to edit my standard_html_header and I cannot save it. Even though I'm manager I get the dreaded "you do not have proxy role" And strangely enough the role "Anonymous" is in the list and highlighted for standard_html_header. Not sure how that got there, but the usual solution is to assign myself that role, then go clear the role from the object. But when I go to the root /acl_users, "Anonymous" is not a role that can be assigned. And it cannot be created as a local role because it's "already defined". So, I'm completely horked.. I have to delete, then recreate standard_html_header. Anyone know why the Proxy role "Anonymous" got assigned to my standard_html_header (which is not in the root) ? Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements