"javascript is evil. moreover, this won't work if someone browses the site with e.g. lynx." Sorry but what a complete crock of elitist crap. Javascript, just like any other client side code, has it's uses (and abuses). Saying that Javascript is evil even in part because it can't be used by browsers like Lynx is equivelant to saying that CSS/Graphics are evil because the blind can't see them. Or that HTML 4.0 is bad because IE3 and NS4 don't implement it well. Yes there are alot of script kiddies and even professional designers out there that use the propritary extensions (both MS's and Netscapes) and cause sites to be inaccessible to certain users. I think instead of bashing the language we should advocate better use. Let's keep blanket statements like "XXXXX is evil" out of the groups and focus on helping developer create better more accessible content using ALL of the tools at their disposal. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963