Hello Cees the problem you raised is exactly the same problem I am facing. Allow me to list my problems: - I am an experienced Java programmer, as well as many other -win- languages - I want to build a big site with lots of logic - I want to have a comfortable tool - I do not want to build tons of classes from scratch. I have been evaluating a lot of other solutions, including ColdFusion, Enhydra as app servers, PHP, ASP, and other as languages. After a lot of headaches, I came out with the idea that unfortunately there are no "all in one out of the box" solutions. From product A you get abc tools/solutions, from B you get def and so on. So at the end I decided to stick with Zope, for many reasons including: - Perl, maybe IMHO not the best, but terribly efficient and widespread. - Python, even if I do not like it at all, but after all the important is that it does it work :)) - XML-RPC so Java for me - you can hide Zope behind Apache, so you can also use Tomcat, PHP and whatever. In the end, a mig mix. But please tell me, where in world can you find an all in one? I did not, so at least, I will take the advantage of the great manageabilty of Zope, those tons of "speed-of-light" tools like DTML-IN and ZSQL methods, and do the rest in the tool I like most for that specific work. I do not like it, however, because it lacks consistency, but at least I will not end up reinventing the weel that somebody has already invented, and debugged veeeery well, seen the tons of peple using Zope. Regards Stefano