I've installed LoginManager exactly (AFAICT) according to <http://www.zope.org/Members/dlpierson/sqlLogin>, and when I try to access the protected folder I get the login form, but when I enter the username and password into that form and submit it, I just get the same form back again. I've tested the SQL Methods invidividually and they work fine. I'm at a loss as to how to test the other components: ZClass, DataSkin, etc. I've tried running Zope with -D and -M, but nothing in the few trace messages indicates any problem. The username I inserted into the SQL database does not match any Zope username in the (standard, top-level) acl_user folder for the site. Does that matter? I've spent several hours looking over the ZPatterns Wiki pages and the various LoginManager web pages, and I'm starting to understand the mechanism involved in LoginManager, but I don't understand it well enough to know where I could put in a breakpoint that would help me understand why login is not working. So, could someone suggest what I could try next to diagnose this problem? -- Fred Yankowski fred@OntoSys.com tel: +1.630.879.1312 Principal Consultant www.OntoSys.com fax: +1.630.879.1370 OntoSys, Inc 38W242 Deerpath Rd, Batavia, IL 60510, USA