whoaa. i don't think comparing the market size and subscriber base of ZopeMag with Newsweek is fair or realistic. why don't you compare ZopeMag's prices to a specialized journal, newsletter or publication. thoses prices often range from $1000 to $18000 a year. why? because in my comparison your faced with the same situation -- low volume publishing. how many hours would 90 Euros buy you from an experienced developer? cheers, mark -------------------------------------------------------------- mark pratt (managing director) mark@beehive.de beehive elektronische medien GmbH http://www.beehive.de phone: +49 30 847-82 0 fax: +49 30 847-82 299 On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Marcello Parra Martins wrote:
Just a correction: in the example of Newsweek, US$ 75 are for TWO years of subscription. One year is just US$ 43. For the price of one year of Zope magazine, you can subscribe TWO years of Newsweek.
You can say: So go and subscribe Newsweak !!! But that's not the point. I'm just using it as a comparation. I liked the idea and want lng life to Zope Mag. But with this price you won't have much subscribers.
Marcello Parra
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcello Parra Martins" <lista@parra.locaweb.com.br> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope magazine
I agree with you, but as a beginner, this magazine could be a good font of information to me. But I think they've made some mistakes:
- why they did not offer the magazine free for some time, until they have some more content ?
- how many articles will be published each month ??
- it's very expensive for a new online magazine. Take the example of Newsweak: you subscribe for a year (108 PRINTED issues) for about US$ 75,00. Zope magazine is 90 Euros (about US$ 80), more than a weekly (printed and delivered) magazine. Sorry, but too expensive.
I repeat: it's a great idea, but not the way they've made it.
Thanks, Marcello Parra
----- Original Message ----- From: "Heimo Laukkanen" <huima@fountainpark.org> To: <mark@beehive.de> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: [Zope] Zope magazine
Hi Mark ( and everyone on the c:d zope-mailinglist),
just stumbled into Zopemag-site and saw what you at behiive have been up to (http://zopemag.com/Issue001/index.html). My first thougth was that what a nice idea, untill I realized that it isn't that great idea - since the magazine is based on paid subscriptions.
I do know that people need to get paid for their work, but that also raises the question about what people are getting for the money they pay. For example judging by the first issue ( it is not fair to judge by the covers, I know ) , there isn't much to pay for yet.
I am all up to educating people more about zope and canonical documents like good howto's reports, articles and books are propably the best guidance -- and after that people need technical documentation. Zopemag now raises a couple of questions:
1) What is editorial policy: - who can and will contribute - what do you will pay for the contributors
2) Openess policy - how much content will be open in the future for example would something like making the previous numbers free be out of the question? - what open services will be developed?
If the world would be ideal place, I would like to see something like zopemag as a completely open system, or partly paid and for example archive as open content. I feel that magazine like content is really good to tie thing together and get people to find products and other howto's that migth interst them.
Of course my point of view is only about educating people and myself, since I do not make money out of selling Zope-knowledge, even though I make money out of creating services and applications with Zope.
Please answer and start discussion about what community could do to support something like zopemag and vice versa. I feel that if made well, something like zopemag could be really good -- like the really active personal zope-portals have sofar been.
By the way - the idea of zope in intranet's is really well. I am just finishing my thesis to a polytechnic about building intranet to support implementation of strategy -- and supprise supprise as a case example I present an intranet built with Zope and CMF.
-huima
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