Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much faster than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap from your ZPT template have >>10x more price level than PHP-like graphics studios. DTML - lower cost of development ZPT - lower cost for design changes DTML - is possible to use cheaper webdesigners ZPT - hi-end web studios needed DTML - reasonable speed with no more tuning ZPT - needs power HW and/or performance tuning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Jung" <lists@zopyx.com> What has the budget to do with ZPT vs. DTML? That's really the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Do you want to tell us that the costs for writing ZPT code are higher than for writing unmaintainable DTML crap code? -aj