Hi, I think you should re-phrase your question. You are comparing a Programming language to an Application Development platform (Zope) and a content managment system. Do you mean to compare PHP CMS systems such as Mambo, Drupal, Midgard etc.? Because I've asked that question in the past and got a lot of helpful responses. The general tone was, although Zope/Plone have a steep learning curve, the power is the flexibility. Using PHP CMS systems are quite nice and easy with a lower learning curve in the beginning but your more likely to find things you just can't do without significant modifications. Of course, I have not investigated PHP solutions in depth, only Plone because of the usability out of the box and flexibility. Regards, Gareth