Paul Everitt wrote:
That's [the egg] quite a strained metaphor. I'll be pretty unequivocal. Anyone that thinks we are lessening our commitment to Python (a) hasn't read the FAQ before reacting and (b) doesn't know us very well.
On the other hand, we'll likely do even more things like this over the year: open up to COM, CORBA, etc. as method facilities.
Context ======= Now, it's late, I've read the whole thread and I'm very calm, I swear. You asked our thoughts, here are mine, with humility. A cheap market study, you must confess ... I'm a french speaking Belgian, excuse my strange English. Prolog ====== I didn't say you were lessening your commitment to Python and (a) I had read the FAQ (b) your answer shows I'm not quite wrong about you. But I must admit I was not explicit enough ... (I'll come back with this a few lines further :-) Act 1 ===== Why do we love Python ? Because of the Zen. "Explicit is better than Implicit, ..." I'm sure you know Tim Peeters Classics. We love Python because of its purity. Why were the two colorfull metaphors speaking about white and another color ? (Red socks and yolk). White is Python. Act2 ==== Zope is not quite white. And most of us wanted it whitened, with age and maturity. Do you need to be burnt to accept the stove is hot ? Then, look at the symptom in this list : you're overwhelmed with posts you can't answer to. Why are there so much posts ? Because there are so much Zopistas ? I would love to think so. But I fear it's because the ZDP is still so young (they yell for help not far from here), and you, you're very cute Python programmers, but couldn't help but mess python purity to get things running as you wanted. With Python, it rolls; with Zope it sometimes roll, but then it's so good, mmmh ? There are lots of strange features, black magic. At least for most of your users, some may have better eyes. Act3 ==== And now, you think you're ready to bite in the Perl apple. I would have think you could grow a little stronger before attracting foreign intricacy, increasing product support needs. Python helps you, I hope you're strong enough with such a weapon to grow up and to firm up at the same time. I hope you see now I'm not fighting against Perl, COM or CORBA. I fear nor hate either. It's about you and us, your community. You do anything to broaden your base and you say we won't be splashed ? Will we gain or loose if you succeed in attracting Perl developers (I don't predict a big rush, they are so shy :-) Will Zope be stronger or messier. It's a political choice. If you don't fear some losses in your ranks, provided you get new strong soldiers further, all right, that's a good choice, you're rational. After all, product support is your job, you'll have more work opportunities so. If you love Python because Python is also CP4E, if you'd love Zope to be WP4E (Web Publication for Everybody), you're running too fast. From here where I sit, it looks like the RedHat Syndrom. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's just because I'm getting old and I fear that juvenile impatience. Epilog ====== Explicit is better than Implicit. I give you the mike, tell us what your priorities are, what you do want to achieve. So, you'll be "unequivocal", we'll know you better. "The synergy between the decision to go open source and the increase in revenue is direct. It's astounding," Everitt said(*). What next ? Lucrative open source or real Zen ? (*) Linux Journal http://www.linux-mag.com/cgi-bin/printer.pl?issue=2000-01&article=venture -- Denis Frère P3B : Club Free-Pytho-Linuxien Carolorégien http://www.p3b.org Aragne : Internet - Réseaux - Formations http://www.aragne.com