Just to make things clear: - Mailman does a fine job of filtering out most email that doesn't belong here. This morning I found 46 messages in the hold queue that were not appropriate and where thus discarded. - We already use a blacklist for spammers. But, in my experience, most spammers do not return, I hardly have any hits on this blacklist. - I am looking into additional MTA level spam filtering. Open Relay spam is already dealt with without locking out legitimate posters. This move is more for non-mailinglist @zope.org and @python.org mail, as we get most spam through there. - This list will not close to non-subscribers, nor will it enforce schemes where you have to subscribe to a shadow-list or other convoluted arrangements, or force you to use a particular mailer. The problem simply isn't big enough to make life for those posters difficult! - As Mailman is maintained by Pythonlabs, I work closely with it's current maintainer on improving it's spam-busting facilities. New versions of Mailman will have features that are geared to making that part of a mailinglist maintainer easier. I see no reason to switch list managers. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------