Hadar Pedhazur wrote: ZC says: the marks were stolen ZEA seems to be saying: the marks were registered defensively. My read on this is that there is a serious communication problem going on here between the lines. Why doesn't Paul come out and state what the ZEA position is? Why are ZC's words so angry? ZC saying the marks were stolen seems a little over the top. What if ZEA registered them defensively? if that's possible then ZEA should be given then benefit of the doubt and not be called a thief. If there was a need to register them to protect "zope", then why didn't ZC do it? Everybody needs to calm down, stop insulting each other and stop broadcasting this problem to the whole world on zope-announce (for example). Its making us all look childish. Making either side into the bad guy is not only innacurate but also inappropriate and is not conducive to building a community around the software we all love and are grateful to ZC and non-ZC related programmers alike for, Zope. <--> george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting" Complete Zope Hosting ~ Managed Servers ~ Plone Hosting Solutions Y/AIM: zettainet ~ Jabber: info@zettai.net ~ Sales: (866) 408-5395