I have installed the following: Zope Version (Zope 2.9.7-final, python 2.4.4, linux2) Python Version 2.4.4 (#1, Oct 23 2006, 13:58:00) [GCC 4.1.1 20061011 (Red Hat 4.1.1-30)] System Platform linux2 SOFTWARE_HOME /var/zope/lib/python ZOPE_HOME /var/zope INSTANCE_HOME /var/zope CLIENT_HOME /var/zope/var Network Services ZServer.HTTPServer.zhttp_server (Port: 8086) ZServer.HTTPServer.zwebdav_server (Port: 9800) I'm using Zeo storage with this. The main problem is my understanding roles with my new set up. I am moving from a Zope 2.6.1 setup to the setup shown above. I've already added some Products to my INSTANCE_HOME/Products directory including Plone which includes the PluggableAuthService folder. I installed a Plone site for testing and deleted it. It appears that PAS has taken over my root acl_users folder or is this now a default in 2.9. Now I can only add users from the ZODB User Manager under /acl_users/users, there is nowhere to add a user from an Add buttion as in the older version of Zope. I can add roles from ZODB Role Manager in /acl_users/roles but these roles don't show up under the Security tab on any page. I can add local roles under the Security tab and they don't show up in /acl_users/roles. I have searched and can find little to no documentation on use or difference in the two authentication methods. Where can I find more information on roles in 2.9.7 and use in this situation? Is this normal behavior and if so how can I synchronize roles between the Security tab and /acl_users/roles or is it not possible? Am still searching the WEB and archives in the meantime. Thanks, Thomas -- ==================================================================== Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett Appalachian State University Computer Consultant III P O Box 32026 University Library Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828) 262 6587 ====================================================================