I'm working on a cut-down replacement for control of users in an acl_users directory from a dtml document, for example, I can: <dtml-if names> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('names',names)"> <dtml-call "manage_users('Delete',REQUEST)"> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect(URL0)"> </dtml-if> to remove users from a list of users selected for removal, it works well, HOWEVER.. I also need to change the roles of users between a defined set I have in select lists on the form, I cannot work out how to do this, I either need to use manage_users('Change',...), for which I have to know their previous password, or I need to give them a new password, I cannot work out how to address the password a user already has, which is in the __ variable (to make it hard to get at, I'm guessing). This is in Zope 2.0.0, BTW. for example, I can quite happly use (roles and thepass are lists off my form) <dtml-if roles> <dtml-in roles> <dtml-var expr="getUsers()[_['sequence-index']].name>" <dtml-var expr="roles[_['sequence-index']]">: <dtml-var expr="thepass[_['sequence-index']]"><p> </dtml-in> </dtml-if> Bt I cannot work out a line to print a password (ie: the equivalent of the following) <dtml-var expr="getUsers()[_['sequence-index']]".__>: can anyone help me???? ------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart Woolford, stuartw@newmail.net Unix Consultant. Software Developer. Supra Club of New Zealand. ------------------------------------------------------------