I want to read an zclass instances' properties. I want to make some dtml that can be passed the instances' id then give me the properties that I request. I was trying <dtml-with> and it worked when I plugged the id striaght into it, but when I tried substituting that with a dynamic varible I couldn't get it to work. I have been trying some other approaches that maybe someone could tell me if I am on the right track or if there is some cumentaion that could help me out. I have been going through the list archives for hours! here is a my latest failed attempt! <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('userid', 979226100)"> <dtml-var "_[userid]._getAttribute(hairpart)"> I know that I could use the Catalog, but it seems crazy to have to track everyvariable property of an object that I want to access. I am sure that this is a basic problem and would love some help with it. josh on