I am looking at a couple way of producing a qotd solution. one way is to put quotes in a folder. Then use objectvalues on the folder and randomly select one of the items. I get get the objectid. but I don't know what I use to get the 'content' of the object.. what is the method to get the 'rendered' and unrendered content of an object. In this case I'm using objects of type file (setting content type to text/plain) (ofcourse the content is plain text) I may find the using a zpt, html, or stx object will work better. I'm hoping there is a method to get either a rendered view of the file, (if zope knows how to render it) or unrendered, and I'll worry about rendering it elsewhere. -- David Bear What's the difference between private knowledge and public knowledge?