Of course, Zope users know that these other users will probably come to
Ironically if you did a survey of Zope users, most would probably say the same tale of woe. "I found out about Zope, downloaded it, worked like hell to understand it, then the light bulb turned on."
I was just thinking on this point maybe the default install you should contain a lot more examples which people can view and change. Personally I find the easiest way to learn things is to take something someone else has done then rip bits out of it to get my thing to work (sounds like cheating butI don't think it is). If it was possible to have two distribution (I know, I know more maintenance work). One which is basically the same as now and then a second one which contains a demo site, with lots of examples on all aspects of zope. Right through from the simplest <dtml-var foo> to ZClasses and full blown python products (which zope already ships with a few of and provide _me_ with lots of help when writing new products). I guess this would be a lot of work to organise, compiling the many examples which are littered through various how-tos, tips, documentation and e-mail threads. Now I know people are probably going to say well the code is already there people can just go use that. I know this and the determined person will probably go and find these examples (As most of the people on this list have already done). However if it is easier to get at these examples the light bulb might just turn on a bit quicker for some people. Benno