Hi, although the TAELS Overview in the Zope help states that the built in name container refers to "The folder in which the template is located", obviously the container of the object the tamplate is applied to is returned. But I would like to get the parent or container of the actual template to build a independent navigational structure. As I know where the template resides this would be very helpful (my users access the site in question aas host.domain.com, But I am working and testing it as anotherhost.domain.com:8080/Folder I am trying to build a navigation that fits both). I tried to get to URLPATHn or other veriables off the request object as described in the docu thrugh the tal-name "request" but to no avail is this something different or do I need to use some sort of accessor on these??? Thanks for any help on the way to ZopeZEN ;-) Jochen