Have the Zope principals considered a different logo? The current logo is ...is...ok but It might help to have something that "sizzles". I see that the http://www.opensource.org has a logo contest and there are a number of cool submissions: http://www.lerdorf.on.ca/os/logos.php3 Does (will) zope.org sell any stickers for server boxes that say: "Zope Inside" ? It seems like the day is not to far away when anyone can order a _small_ box that only has two connections: Power and 100/Ethernet. No monitor/keyboard, built in battery backup like laptops. Take it to the home/office/ISP and plug it into the network, turn on the hidden switch and you have a "Zope Instant Web" Naturally, the OS is Linux. Boxes could be sold by the big guys: Dell/Gateway/Micron etc or even an off-brand outfit. The box also comes with a Zope hat and tee shirt! How about a blue tee-shirt with red cape and a red "Z" on the front. "Zuperman -- able to leep tall internets in a single bound..." :-) -bobo connor bob@rocnet.com