Oops sorry about the last post by me -- that was an accident. I was intending to mention in that message interesting work on workflow by the multi-university Vela project. I would like a workflow system that is more abstract than the domain specific "moving Web development projects" down the pipeline. The NCSU folks have been developing an interesting system called Omniflow for general collaborative design. Now they make use of the tclet plugin on the client side, but one could imagine this in Java. I think there are some good ideas in what they are doing. I am doing something similar (but much simpler) in Zope using tclets for client side currently. See: http://www.cbl.ncsu.edu/demos/dac99/1999-EETimes-vela.pdf and demos (requires the tcl plugin) at: http://www.cbl.ncsu.edu/demos/dac99/ FYI Albert