on Wednesday, August 16, 2000 Jean Jordaan wrote : .... JJ> <!--#var title_or_id--> ... JJ> What further confuses me is that '/docs' has no title, and it JJ> contains 'index_html (Document Warehouse)'. Now JJ> 'standard_html_header' renders '/docs/index_html's title. JJ> If '/' has no title and '/index_html' does, JJ> 'standard_html_header' renders no title. This seems inconsistent. JJ> Because there's acquisition stuff that escapes me, doubtless. JJ> Anyone have 50c worth of enlightenment? Check whether those index_htmls are DTML methods or DTML documents.. DTML Documents have properties of their own, and return their title, when title_or_id is callet upon them.. DTML methods are just that, methods of their container, in this case their folder, and so returns the folder's title when title_or_id is called on them .. see also : http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/HowTos/DTMLMethodsandDocsHowTo -- Geir Bækholt web-developer/designer geirh@funcom.com http://www.funcom.com