-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Maupin wrote:
Rene B <rb2.net@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm beginning to think there's nothing out there for a newbie python programmer like myself. I'm a Network Admin that likes programming but doesn't have the time to get really proficient at it.
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Out of all the ones I've researched I like Zope 2 the best. Not sure why. I want some thing easy. I like DTML. It's easy. I know why ZPT has it's advantages but for ease of use it doesn't come close to DTML. Most people like me wont be building complex web sites and I'd be the only working on it meaning I'll do the HTML layout and code the dynamic portions of it. So I don't' need to worry about an HTML editor getting confused with the dynamic languages mixed in blah blah blah.
Then your search is over. Just use Zope 2.
I'm in almost exactly your position. I learned DTML because at the time the Zope tutorials all taught it first (they probably still do), and since I'm never going to be editing code except by hand, I don't worry about DTML tags getting messed up. Also, unless something has changed you need to use DTML somewhat for ZSQL methods. And anything that's tricky to do in DTML/ZPT should probably be in a Python script anyway.
Frankly, I've created half a dozen Zope sites over the last four years, two of them fairly active medium-sized sites ( letsdating.jp and gamesocks.com ), and Zope is basically just a fancy-pants container for my Python scripts. It works beautifully. I know I'm not using the "full power" of Zope, but as a container for Python scripts and with the power of acquisition - one of my absolute favorite aspects of Zope 2 - it makes development a snap.
This is indeed the "sweet spot" for the Zope2 TTW development model, and I still use it myself, but with two caveats: - I *never* push a site to production using the TTW technologies unless I am personally committeed to maintaining it in perpetuity, because TTW code is near-impossible to collaborate on. - I *never* do more than prototype with TTW code if I plan to distribute the code across more sites than the one I built it on, because the mechanisms for moving TTW code are hideously hard to get right. the "use Products over TTW" meme on the Zope lists is a direct result of these two fact. Being able to use filesystem tools (CVS / SVN, etc.) on the code is all part of the same meme. That meme is also why I wrote tools (FSDumper, CMFSetup/GenericSetup) to make it easier to start with a TTW prototype and later move the code (and configuration) to the filesystem. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTICm+gerLs4ltQ4RAoS5AJ9yY8hD3Q/ovYOHQd5UeTzquHE5SACghNF5 Vz5YHDgcxJ4DdMuHkjLfnr0= =uH8A -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----