I'm not sure if the problem is with the new workflow setup or what? I thought that at some point the workflow was changed so that items become visible when first created. Is anyone running a Zope with the workflow creating visible items as the default? I'm finding that other logged in users can edit visible items. I'm using Zope 2.5.1 and cmf 1.2 and cmfzen 0.0.1. How about a suggestion for something for me to try. In the past I tried working with the workflow object, but ran into linux/windows problems trying to import the current example at the time. Now I'm back to check out Zope again and give it one more go around. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com