Hi, Phil and Casey: My problems turned out to be a problem with several versions of IE (5.0, 5.01 etc.). When I upgraded to the latest 5.5 edition, the problem disappeared. Of course, it makes me a bit nervous about Zope.. (I'm less worried about the fact that it doesn't work on some of these popular versions of browsers than the fact that when the error occurred there was NO information about what was wrong printed out to the console etc. I spent hours trying to change this or that.. and it was only by chance I decided to try nn 4.5 that I had lying around, and was pleasantly surprised when it worked! I wanted to "turn off" the quick-start.. but was told by someone else on the list that this was burnt into zope and couldn't be easily changed. For a system that looks as easily configurable through the mgmt screens as zope is.. that seems like an oversight). But I now have my simple web app going (from start to finish, it took me about a day -- and I didn't know Python or dtml -- in fact, even now I don't think I grok all the complex semantics of dtml-var expr="_.getitem(blah)" very well -- but I now have a web app which is only 2K when exported, and appears reasonably fast for what it does). I'm now trying to add sorting/searching, a guest-book like functionality to some of the folders, and some user management to it. One thing I've been curious about -- I note that several of the pages have a way of limiting output to say 10 items.. and then provides the option for the user to scroll thru the next ten in the next page etc. Is there a simple example that illustrates "the zope way" to do this? ps. Zope is simply put.. fun and quite unlike any other environment I've experienced. The on-the-web development mode takes a while getting used to .. (I'm an old emacs and various IDE kinda person -- and these days I spend a lot of time on VAJ), but it kinda grows on you. pps. One suggestion -- I wonder if anyone has written a frontpage or a web-page like plugin that would appear as a separate tab while you edit your dtml pages.. (i.e. a point-and-click interface rather than having to type your dtml in, click "view" and iterating). Thanks a bunch for a *GREAT* product.