Dear All, May I have your expertise on this? ;-) As much as I'm new to Zope/Python, ZCatalog (Catalog) internals vex me even more. I have a message board product called NeoBoard, some of you might know. Recently I rewrote its core to have a built-in catalog for indexing articles and displaying them automatically sorted on thread keys. It showed quite a boost in performance. Previous versions without the built-in catalog used to ramrod all article objects into/out of memory whenever they need to display them. What a waste of memory and CPU power as Toby Dickenson suggested. Here's what I did to solve this problem: - Rewrote the parent class of the NeoBoard/NeoBoardArticle ( article container/article objects themselves ), NeoPortalElementContainer to inherit ZCatalog. Basically NeoPortalElementContainer automatically natural sorts/numbers objects (elements) when they're added to the container: page_1, page_2, ... etc. - NeoBoardArticle looks toward NeoBoard when the catalog methods defined in NeoPortalElementContaier are called. So NeoBoard's catalog methods are always used no matter whereever you are in the path hierarchy. - When you call a NeoBoard instance, it calls ZCatalog's searchResults(), which returns brains objects. A threaded (expanded) look does require a step further: NeoBoard sorts a pageful of threads and their replies before returning them; it doesn't care about the other threads that are not displayed in the current request. Performance? Not so fast as SQL-backed PHP version ( displaying a pageful of threads takes only a fraction of a second ), but not bad. Okay, I partially solved one problem ( wasting memory/horsepower, etc - I'm still not satisfied with the performance, though ) but created another set of problems while so doing. I could display 5,000 threads ( about 20,000 article obects incuding all replies to the threads) in less than a second ( it takes a bit more when you load the board for the first time. ) The problems are... - It takes ages when cataloging even a small number of articles. 18 seconds for cataloging 50 or so article objects with so little to index? Is it normal? Can't imagine recataloging 20,000 objects. For example, if you move a thread from one NeoBoard instance to another, you have to uncatalog the thread including all its replies in NeoBoad A and catalog them in NeoBoard B: cataloging a single article object takes more than 1 second. Don't think it's normal... Or is it? - When I attempt to uncatalog an object that's not been catalogged, Zope spews out errors in the log. Can I supress the errors in code, which, in my applications, are meaningless. - Catalogs sometimes do get corrupted so recatalogging is required from time to time. Is it also normal? All of my article objects are catalog-aware and they catalog/uncatalog/recatalog themselves when getting added, deleted, or modified using manage_afterAdd(), manage_beforeDelete() and CMF'ish _edit() method. When a missing article (ghost catalog entry) causes a KeyError, NeoBoard attempts to refresh the catalog: well, takes too much time. But manually recreating its catalog is not an alternative. Any ideas why this'd happen? Any tips on maintaining catalog integrity? - Here're the indexes NeoBoard uses: security.declarePublic( 'enumerateIndexes' ) def enumerateIndexes( self ): """ Return a list of ( index_name, type ) pairs for the initial index set. """ return ( ('Title', 'TextIndex') , ('meta_type', 'FieldIndex') , ('getSortKey', 'FieldIndex') , ('getThreadSortKey', 'FieldIndex') , ('isThreadParent', 'FieldIndex') , ('creation_date', 'FieldIndex') , ('Creator', 'FieldIndex') , ('CreatorEmail', 'FieldIndex') , ('getArticleCategory', 'FieldIndex') , ('getNeoPortalContentSearchText', 'TextIndex') , ('getInlineCommentsSearchText', 'TextIndex') , ('getInlineCommentCreators', 'TextIndex') , ('getAttachmentsSearchText', 'TextIndex') , ('getNeoPortalReadCount', 'FieldIndex') , ('getNeoPortalNumContentRatings', 'FieldIndex') , ('getNeoPortalElementNumber', 'FieldIndex') , ('isTempNeoBoardArticle', 'FieldIndex') ) I came to know that 'TextIndex' is deprecated. Have yet to try ZCTextIndex or TextIndexNG ( the latter seems like an overkill). Found 'TopicIndex' very interesting. Would they make much difference? Especially, I was suprised to find the simple 'Title' index takes almost one full second when applied on an object: that getIndex( name ) call alone in the Catalog.py takes this much. So I suspect it's not about Catalog but I'm doing something very stupid in setting up this built-in catalog. ONE FINAL QUESTION: I strongly suspect I wouldn'[t be able to get any faster using ZCatalog. At least not as fast as using RDBMS. I'm thinking... "Not fast enough, not flexible enough since I can't perform sopnisticated queries on ZCatalog and stuff... why not revert to MySQL?" Got any thoughts on this? How does ZCatalog compare to a reasonably fast RDBMS? NeoBoard (1.1) will be taken out of its beta phases when I solve this catalogging weirdness, and might start working on 1.2 using MySQL or SAPDB as backend. Hope somebody can persuave me out of this path... just the thought of having to rewrite the core to use SQL makes me shudder....arrrrrrgh... Any help, hints or comments would be much appreciated. I do need to move on with this project :-( It's been almost a year now...ouch. Weeks became months; months became a whole year... whew. Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------- Wankyu Choi CEO/President NeoQuest Communications, Inc. http://www.zoper.net http://www.neoboard.net ---------------------------------------------------------------