maybe its really late and I'm tired... but I'm sitting here trying to walk the entiree tree from a dtml method and its just not working... I would rather do this from pythonmethods, and I've been reading the manage_exportObject method to see how it works, but its kinda hairy... ? how do you do recursion in ZOPE? I'm trying to essentially do what exporting the DOM in XML except w/ more control and preferably using pyMethods but I just dont get it... :( any help? a good idea may be to have a PythonMethod repository, it seems that I'm always struggling w/ the in's and out's of PythonMethods in the ZOPE env. and it would be nice for when pyMethods are released w/ ZOPE that there is a nice wealth of info for people to see examples of these beautiful and elegant creatures. many thanks, george