While I agree that Netscape had it right when it didn't allow complete HTML, (opening AND closing tags where appropriate), IMHO Netscape 4 was still a piece of crap. It had problems with CSS and the like. Now, of course, the JavaScript DOM is different in Netscape than in IE, but I don't fault Netscape on this one. Here, IE shouldn't have ventured into their own "JavaScript" (JScript). But a clear determination can be made by comparing Netscape 6 vs 4.+ Much better handling of stylesheets, IE and Netscape work in the same code, DHTML works now --> simple text-rollovers now work in Netscape, and the like... Now it's possible to code a site without actually having the weigh functionality vs cool design. That question will always have to be evaluated, but at least now you can have some fun while still delivering what's truly important. Again IMHO, but I'm sure you knew already knew that! ;> Tommy