On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 02:59:27PM +0200, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
Finally, on buzzwords, I'd say go easy on Python. It scares people. Say Perl, say XML, say any other ML. Who cares what BroadVision is written in? Why should we care with Zope? (someone is going to hate that). ....Mike
I disagree. Zope is very different from the others in this respect. Python is such a big part of Zope. You could almost say: "a bunch or prepared classes and libraries written in Python, and it even has a HTML end to it. The collection of these frameworks is called ZOPE" And Python is definitly something to be proud of these days.
depends on where your marketing focus is. if you're pitching the technical staff, the fact that zope is a python application _can_ be a big plus, if you're pitching the non-technical decision makers (see my earlier posts) then talking python _can_ muddy the waters. the suits are buying solutions, not programming languages so the fact that zope is a python 'killer app' means you have to sell not only zope as a solution, but now python as well, double the sales effort...
I hope you people don't mind if I repeat myself, but the above is really the point. Talking python, OOP, TAL, ZPT, CMF, zclasses and whatnot is very often _not_ a good idea with decision makers as a target. Go to http://www.microsoft.com/cmserver/ (btw. does anybody know this product?, on a quick glance, it seems to be something like Zope+CMF+ZIEMethod.) Take the tour, http://www.microsoft.com/cmserver/evaluation/tour.htm What we see there is exactly what I meant my previous lengthy mail. _No_ technical information, but some small flash animations of cursors doing drag&drop, pictures of nice people who look like they really love their life now that they can use this product. Andy McKay wrote about the art of presenting zope (to a LUG!): "I would recommend just showing a lot of Zope and an application. I made the mistake recently of talking too much and only having 5 mins to show stuff. I installed Squishdot from a tar file, right there and then and compared it too installing Slashcode. That impressed people alot more than the waffle I did." This is true even more if not talking to linuxheads. People need pictures they can understand. cheers, oliver