Aloha, Be honest now - how many of you saying "python is really easy to learn" or equivalent here recently would have said that when you first started using it? I'm not a newbie to programming, and I find python quite cryptic and confusing, especially all those mysterious underscores and 'self' and 'context' and mandatory indentation and so on and on. And then there's trying to understand and use it in/with Zope. I'm sure it'll get better for me. And, I *sure* am tired of people who already know it well saying over and over again how easy it is...for *them*, 'cause it's not for me. There, I feel much better now. John S. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com