Dieter Maurer wrote:
I am not in favour of splitting the list. I would subscribe to all sublists with the exception of "zope-newbies".
I'll go out on a limb here and say that, that's okay. You shouldn't subscribe to newbies.
But my social responsibility tells me, that newbies must be able to voice their problems where there are more experienced users that may solve them....
The split lists would allow you more time to answer the tough ones (that's my selfish motive <vbg>).
Hehe, Me 2. I think the problem is that many answers could be found *today* with the investment of 5 minutes searching on zope.org or at the searchable mailing lists at NIP (thanks NIP!). My impression is that the "fast path" is mostly taken by zope beginners, and not people who prefer to lure mailing lists for some time to get an impression about the knowledge level which is covered by that list. It also would be sometimes impossible to find out the right list to post if the topics would be too fine grained (trivial example "Problems calling ZSQL-methods with parameters") - i.e. if I am a newbie I'm probably not able to figure out what problem domain I am really chewing on. And perhaps I would be resistant to think that something that held me up for three days is really a *newbie* problem ;->. My personal feeling is that if there is a decision for a split it should be zope@zope.org The general list for Zope users - operation of and content management with Zope, including basic dtml programming and so forth. zope-dev@zope.org A separate list for Zope developers, focusing more advanced aspects of zope programming like ZClasses and pythons scripts and external methods (...). zope-core-dev@zope.org Focusing on Zope's innards and continuing evolution. The second and third name may be changed, but I feel that being a beginner with zope in many cases also means not being able to know where to ask, thus heading under the zope@zope.org umbrella. Perhaps the help which can be found online today should be more exposed, for instance by linking to the searchable archives (even) more prominently and explicitly stating that they are a very useful resource (they answer 9 out of 10 questions I normally have and I mostly consult them before looking for howtos). That way the more advanced zopistas wouldn't be to bothered to churn out answers to FAQs, and people like me could also get their piece of the philanthropy cake. cheers, oliver