I need to "hand generate" a navigation bar, showing only those subobjects to which the current user is authorized to view. It seems as if I'd get an AttributeError when trying to access items that I can't access, but with LoginManager it pops up a login box.. Which I don't want. My design is to have each "folder" have its own "DrawNavBar" DTML- Method, whose job it is to generate it's own html.. If that folder has sub- folders, than that folder's DrawNavBar should call it's sub-folders DrawNavBar functions. To avoid a recursive loop resolving DrawNavBar, I use aq_explicit, like this: <dtml-try> <dtml-var "_.getattr(PARENTS[-1].Z.Admin.aq_explicit,'ShowNavBar')(_.None,_)"> <dtml-except AttributeError> </dtml-try> The problem with this is that I get a login prompt from LoginManager if I'm anonymous.. I suppose I could use something like dtml-in to only show those objects to which I'm authorized, but I don't want to enumerate the contents of the folder, since I know exactly what I'm looking for. So.. given an explcit path, how can I find out if the current user can 'access' that path item, such as a DTML-method? I'm not asking Zope to confirm that the object exists if I don't have access to it.. just say "no such object" or "here's the object" and not use acquisition to find it up the path. Ideas? Thanks Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements