Um, not really. Objects refer to images, pages yes... but also other bits like mp3s or text files... anything you may want to differentiate from another 'object'... In a job-board, an object would also be a web page of someone's CV.. or an image, or video or audio clip of that same CV. A property is the html syntax that goes with the object. Beyond that HTML syntax you can adopt your own... Take the same analogy of job board. The CV of Paul Zwarts (that's me) is in 4 formats. HTML, Video, Audio and Word document. All have to have a property called Name. (Either that or they reside in a folder that is my name, but you see what it does). Methods, are in fact calls to data. You want to organize your data, but not just simply dump it on people point-blank. A method is a logic tidbit that sorts and operands data invisibly to the user. It may be using SQL, or Python methods, or other methods straight to other scripting languages. The beauty of Zope is that is only the flour and egg that binds it together. The frosting and spices are what make the cake its own kind as opposed to another kind of cake. Your bit about frosting on the cake is exactly what DTML is for. Its the presentation layer. If your objects are organized properly, then the presentation layer will determine the frosting color. As HTML was a presentation layer for a flat file structure, DTML is the very same for dynamic content that may come from different places at once, or one place that is always changing..... I'm a newbie myself, but I've had experience in SGML and other publishing methods (even those that predate computers) so I kind of understand the naming methods they use. I would suggest you check the Zope book as it explains more detailed (in one place) the methodology and naming conventions used by the Zopistas.... Perhaps you would be willing to post your article on the members site, or somewhere convenient for you? I'd be interested in reading it.] Paz -----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Russell Hires Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:23 PM To: Zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] What things _really_ mean Hello everyone, I've been going through the "How to: Build a Searchable Job Board", and being the newbie that I am, I've been having trouble. First, it's a great recipe. I can make many a cake with it. The same kind of cake, the same kind of yellow cake. The same kind of yellow cake with white frosting... Second, (and this is where the subject line comes from) it occurs to me that the "objects" are really just web-pages. "Methods" are pieces of web-pages, though methods also seem to be a way to do something with the stuff you put into forms. "Properties" are forms. A "property sheet" is a collection of forms... Third, in light of the fact that the HOWTO says it is for those new to programming, I have proceeded to make changes to this HOWTO mainly to make it easier for me to deal with the various concepts and process, and to make it more generalized, so that it isn't simply a recipe, but something you can look at without the content and get a better idea of the concept behind it (a lot like Zope!). Along with this I have used some content from one or two different sources and integrated it into the HOWTO. Naturally, the changes I've made are private, but perhaps when I'm done doing everything I hope it could be published (with appropriate attributions and permission from the original author), in the hope that it my changes will be more helpful to the next newbie that reads and follows this HOWTO... Thoughts? Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )